the judges eye is critical.

[Barrie Shutt]

are you breeding budgerigars for the show bench?

do you want your pairs matched for the best chicks?

do you want to know if your budgie is to your expectations.

i have a judges eye which picks out the good and the bad points,beware.

post your pictures for your very own personal assesment of your bird.

see you soon.

[Mindy]

Cool!!!! A forum for Exhibition Budgerigars! Hi Barrie! I may not have a show bird but I shall be listening in definitely!!

Cheers!

[Barrie Shutt]

mindy not just for exhibition budgerigars

[Mindy]

mindy not just for exhibition budgerigars

Oh okay. I just noticed this new forum Exhibition Budgies and assumed it was about the show budgies. So your thread anyone can submit a picture of their birds whether it be of the wild type or the show type? Cool! Thank you, welcome back btw.... :)

[Mark Gulley]

welcome back barrie hope you had a good trip............id value your comments on any of the birds in my gallery

mark

[Barrie Shutt]

mark you have some super birds can you not pop them on here

[Mark Gulley]

i dont seem to be able to add a pic to this message any tips on how

[Mindy]

i dont seem to be able to add a pic to this message any tips on how

You can take a pic here:
http://usera.imagecave.com/qualityetc/Toby/P3290006-02.jpg

and use [ img] before the URL (without the space) and [ /img] after the URL (no space), and you get this:

http://usera.imagecave.com/qualityetc/Toby/P3290006-02.jpg

Most image hosts provide the code you need so you don't have to put it together like that.

Or you can attach a picture from your hard drive or a web site by clicking on the paper clip in the editor.

[Mindy]

Barrie, here's a pic of Toby I wanted your thoughts on if you don't mind sir.

http://usera.imagecave.com/qualityetc/Toby/P4170030-copy.jpg

[Barrie Shutt]

TOBY.
bright eyed,well tucked in beak,deep mask,colouration in line with this variety,carries his wings in the desired position and lifts himself clear of the perch.
a nice well balanced bird mindy.

[ian]

what about this hen barrie

[Gary-S6794]

Hi Barrie would welcome your advice on 8 birds bought today! first 5 the now other 3 later best regards Gary p.s. hows ma Lutino's :D

[Barrie Shutt]

hi ian a common fault with opalines is the flecking on the front of the head and this would be penalised on the show bench.use this hen with a good cock but when chicks arrive the normal cocks will be split opaline and if the chicks carry this flecking you could breed the fault into the stud.

[Gary-S6794]

hi Barrie, the other 3 + 2 allready have, any advice on type to pair with and really unsure about what to pair with blue pied regards Gary

[Gary-S6794]

hi, the rest i have available to pair with ! i'm not sure im keen on opaline ( just my own view im sure others like them !) so thinking of moving them on but advise welcomed.

[Barrie Shutt]

let's start with pictures 1,3 and five,greygreens.
these three birds appear to be one family so much alike,number five is the better bird,none of these birds carry a fault so visually they can produce better than themselves paired with the correct partner.

[Barrie Shutt]

picture two gary a dominant lightgreen cock a little short in spot and not enough broken body colour.pair this with a big spotted normal hen.

[Barrie Shutt]

picture four a nice grey hen carries itself well and unfaulted,perhaps a mate for the dominant pied.

[Barrie Shutt]

gary are the three pictures the same bird which appears to be a cinnamon greygreen with a dropped tail ,use with care

[Gary-S6794]

HI BARRIE, no the 3 pictures are of different cinn g/green hens regards

[Barrie Shutt]

picture four appears to be a cinnamon spangle but this and the skyblue pied are not good enough pictures to give a opinion.

[Barrie Shutt]

the three cinnamon greygreen hens,use the 2nd one.

[Barrie Shutt]

yes gary keep the op spangle light green and sell the others.

[Gary-S6794]

hi barrie, have taken better pics of the 3 g/green hens will get another of the pied shortly thanks gary

[Gary-S6794]

hi Barrie, pics of the pied (recessive sky blue/ violet? think):confused: regards Gary

[Gary-S6794]

Hi Barrie, sorry for all the questions last pic ! :) any advice if any of them are suitable to pair would be welcomed regards Gary

[Mark Hawke]

mark you have some super birds can you not pop them on here

Thanks Barrie. How was the holiday.

[Barrie Shutt]

gary the three greygreen hens will be useful for you in the breeding cages.

[Gary-S6794]

thanks Barie, would they e sutable to par wt the cinn grey cocks i have? regards

[Barrie Shutt]

the double factor dominant skyblue pied will add a little colour to the avairy,double factor dominants look like recessives but can throw a suprise decent chick now and again.

[Barrie Shutt]

a am critical gary,use the middle cinnamon hen only.

[Barrie Shutt]

good hol thanks mark

[Barrie Shutt]

gary greywings or diluted whitewings,yeh give them a go.

[Barrie Shutt]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/barrieshutt/may1styoungbirds2007043.jpg



like this gary? 42 days old.

[Gary-S6794]

looks well impressive nice colour and what a head !

[PAOLO]

Barrie your birds deserve 100 points !!!!

[Barrie Shutt]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/barrieshutt/2007youngbirdsfeb019.jpg



my birds love you paolo

[Barrie Shutt]

morning paolo how are you today?
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/barrieshutt/birdwithfruitssopretty.gif

[Daz]

ummm barry, what wrong with your website? Can't seem to get on. :(

[Barrie Shutt]

no problem bill not paid again,who would have mates.

[mel85]

Hello, would you guys agree that this is a young male? What would you call his colouring? What do you think Barry could he be a winner? He is clipped now- a bit of a bummer. Hope I'm in the right spot for the photo competition coz i think i got a super cute shot in there. Thanks alot !

Thanks again Mel :p

[Daz]

She looks nice to me. Nest feather / barhead

[Daz]

Where's the delete button.. ;)

[Daz]

To my eyes she looks to be a Spangle Cinnamon Skyblue or at least a Spangle dilute skyblue..

[mel85]

Doesnt
blue/purple cere = male
and
brown = female?

Or are there exceptions?
Looks quite purpley too me!

Sorry, Im trying to learn!

Thanks, Mel

[Barrie Shutt]

daz i breed a few of these but prefer the normals it's a opaline cinnamon spangle skyblue hen.

mel you need to enter in the may competition thread

[Daz]

Mostly yes but when you get a young bird with nostral rings it most likely to be a hen. I have a blue cere hen that is a few years old. I am hoping for her to breed. She is from the Darmein line.

Thanks Barrie the lightness of the marking had me wondering. I have a few Spangle Opaline hens but no cinnamon in them.

[kazza]

A pretty little hen :)

[Mark Hawke]

Pet shop bird

[Barrie Shutt]

pet shop bird who's do you mean mark? we all have them.

[Mark Hawke]

Yes we do, but you couldn't sell that one to any one else.

[Titchpritch]

I'd buy it!!!!!

[Barrie Shutt]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/barrieshutt/PLAYASDEMAZARRON.png

[Titchpritch]

I dont know why again Barrie but I am only getting the little red cross again - no piccie for me!

[Barrie Shutt]

i am confused? could it be our ages titch?
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/barrieshutt/tinkflying.gif

[Titchpritch]

Could be!!! Got Tinkerbell again ok. SUnnycyprus isnt getting pics either though and she is just 'a baby' compared to us!!!!!

[Jamie Naylor]

Hi Barrie,

I've just joined the site and would be interested to see what you think of some of our birds.
We've won a few shows at beginner level, with best young bird and best beginner any age awards as well as a 3rd place CC.
We started breeding a little late this year and currently have 10 chicks, the oldest being 5 weeks - when they reach 6 weeks I'll post some photos of them....

Jamie

[Barrie Shutt]

hi jamie,welcome,i think the opaline lightgreen hen is a super budgie with out any faults,you can only improve this bird by looking to increase the head width and deepen the mask.
another good hen but a little short in body is the opaline cinnamon grey.
i think the light green cock in pictures 4 and 5 are the same bird,excellent deportment,deep mask,full of show potential,would lose points due to the slight ticking on the head and showing opalescence behind the head,a super breeding bird,put it to a normal.
another excellent bird the cinnamon light green hen,nice between the eyes but the hardest fault to breed out of a budgie is a dropped tail,this may not be normal she may be just out of the breeding box.
you can breed good birds of of stock like this.
good luck.

[Jamie Naylor]

Hi Barrie,
Thanks for the positive feedback!
The opaline cinamon grey hen won best beginner any age in 2005 and is currently paired with the first of the green cocks pictured (2-3 of the eggs are fertile), the second green cock is a year younger than the first but from the same parents as you can tell - he has 2 chicks of 4 weeks at the moment, one cock and one hen....both showing promise.

Thanks again, Jamie

[Mark Hawke]

Nices birds Jamie

[Jamie Naylor]

Thanks Mark, hope to post some of our first youngsters this year very soon...

[Barrie Shutt]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/barrieshutt/2007bredbudgies15may035-1.jpg


just over three months old and showing potential.

[Mark Hawke]

Looks to be the goods Barrie very nice

[Barrie Shutt]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/barrieshutt/2007bredbudgies15may078-1.jpg


if this budgie was a flower i would have them all the way round my borders

[ian]

hi barrie,have these 2 pairs in breeding cages.what do you think?

[Barrie Shutt]

the second pair will be fine ian but i never pair two opalines together( i first pair are both opalines are they not)

[ian]

the first pair are princess and last months comp winner. what about this lad?have just put him in the comp today ,im putting him in with a cinnamon hen that i have in a breeding cage tomorrow

[Barrie Shutt]

nice cock ian but to breed this variety for the show bench you need a normal not a cinnamon,cinnamon will dilute the wing markings which are not well definded at the moment.

[nealandnikki]

Hi Barry,

Can I have your expert comments on my budgies as well?

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/nealandnikki/Picture005.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/nealandnikki/Picture008.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/nealandnikki/Picture002.jpg

Many thanks,
Amit

[toscany]

Pretty bird, too....Mindy!

[Barrie Shutt]

amit you have three wonderful birds in the blue,lutino and greygreen,nice size and shape and in good feather condition.

the grey hen wants that fat stomach off.

[nealandnikki]

amit you have three wonderful birds in the blue,lutino and greygreen,nice size and shape and in good feather condition.

the grey hen wants that fat stomach off.

Thanks Barry for your comments !!! And Barry any chance you could comment on the sex of the budgies (all of them please). I 'm a bit confused.

Amit

[chook]

grey and grey-green are male
Skyblue and Lute are hens.

[Barrie Shutt]

amit you have three wonderful birds in the blue,lutino and greygreen,nice size and shape and in good feather condition.

the grey hen wants that fat stomach off.

i should have said the grey cock wants that fat stomach off.

chook lutinos are difficult to sex at this age but it looks like a male,time will tell.

[chook]

at what age? She looks to have a pale tan cere to me. My lutes usually show a difference from an early age.

[Barrie Shutt]

at what age? She looks to have a pale tan cere to me. My lutes usually show a difference from an early age.

sometimes 3 months old

[ian]

how about these barrie

[Barrie Shutt]

how about these barrie

i would like to see more width on the neck but early days yet only babies.

[PETEY]

grey green cock 06 bred,what do you think Barrie,thanks

Pete

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01874.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01877.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01875.jpg

[Barrie Shutt]

grey green cock 06 bred,what do you think Barrie,thanks

Pete

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01874.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01877.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01875.jpg


pete i love the depth of his face from the top of his head till the bottom of his mask,super deportment and not a fault on the bird,you can only improve this birds future chicks,you need a wide headed hen and if it it possesses uplift that's a bonus.super colouration.

[Lee Marshall]

Pete

My advise to beginners is to leave the green series well alone because you need an outstanding one to catch the judges eye.

Your cock bird is nice and balanced but a long way of standing up to the grey greens it will meet at even a small show.

He will also breed you alot of grey greens that you will struggle to find homes for.

My advise for what it is worth.

If you must use green birds put a spangle or dominant pied in the pairing and if possibe do not pair 2 green together...this will give you a mixture of colours and types that will give you more class coverage and will increase you chances of selling your surplus.

I hope you understand my comments in the way they are intended....the most sucessful studs today keep a good selection of colours because the days of being able to breed and sell 100's of grey greens each year has gone.

Regards lee

[Barrie Shutt]

i cannot disagree with lee it is a difficult class to win but it is my favourite colour and if i could get good greygreens i would.the greygreens i bought off alf omerod in 1972 were never beaten and the beginner classes in those days could have 30 plus entries in the light and greygreen classes.
it would be a challenge for you pete but we budgerigar fanciers thrive on a challenge.

[PETEY]

thanks Lee i see what you mean,as there is always a lot of birds in these classes,but i also read that it is good to use grey greens to bring the blue series birds up to a better quality,i will give him ago at the edinburgh or sbs show and see how he does,thanks Barrie also for your comments,i do like a good challenge

Pete

[Lee Marshall]

Pete

Don't look at the colour as an indication of quality....there are as many good blues winning shows as other colours....a grey green will only help improve other birds if its better than them....a grey green doesn't have the divine power to breed winners if its not good in the first place.

To dip into the green is not realistic today...its probably the spangle!

Enjoy your challenge though.

Lee

[PETEY]

thanks for the advice Lee

Pete

[PETEY]

Light Green Spangle almost ready for Edinburgh on Saturday
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01927.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01925.jpg

[PETEY]

Cinny almost ready for edinburgh
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01936.jpg

[Mark Gulley]

like that bird pete

[Barrie Shutt]

looking good pete if you want me to be critical sorry i can't.

[PETEY]

thanks Mark

Pete

[PETEY]

thanks Barrie,just need to straighten their tails and flights

Pete

[PETEY]

Opaline Grey Cock 2004 ready for show tommorow
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01964.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01966.jpg

[PETEY]

young light green spangle hen ready for show
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01968.jpg

[PETEY]

Opaline spangle grey green hen ready for show
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01971.jpg

[PETEY]

Cobalt Cock 05 ready for show
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01974.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01977.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01976.jpg

[PETEY]

Cobalt Cock 05 ready for show
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01974.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01977.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01976.jpg


This Bird brought home the best result for me today at the show,won his class of 4 and came 5th in the CC line up out of 29 birds exhibited(getting closer to my first CC:))all with a owner bred bird

[Mark Gulley]

well done pete

[PETEY]

Thanks Mark,the light green spangle cock came second in his class after a very nice looking light green spangle with a slightly wider head than him took first

[Barrie Shutt]

well done pete

[Cheola]

Congrats Pete, you must be happy with the cobalts results! Good work :D

[Claudia]

Hi Barrie,

I'd like a go at this. I'm going to try and get some decent shots of my lot if they'll keep still for a minute. I've posted pics up here before but they are not particuarly good side shots. I'll see what I can put together and then you can let me know what you think.

It's nice to get a well trained opinion of your birds. Obviously I am biased!

Speak soon.

Claudia

[Claudia]

Okay, here's my birds. I hope the pics are okay. I've broken them up into groups so more emails to follow with the rest on. I've include multiple pics of my girls (to come), they just won't keep still. In the absence of being able to breed them at the moment, I'd like to try a couple of amateur show classes, to see what it's like. Are any of these guys viable?

Ta Barrie!

Claudia

[Claudia]

Some more. There are two hens, there are duplicate pictures of them here.

C

[Claudia]

This is the last one, the second male natural green I have. Many thanks for your assistance Barrie! :)

Claudia

[Barrie Shutt]

Okay, here's my birds. I hope the pics are okay. I've broken them up into groups so more emails to follow with the rest on. I've include multiple pics of my girls (to come), they just won't keep still. In the absence of being able to breed them at the moment, I'd like to try a couple of amateur show classes, to see what it's like. Are any of these guys viable?

Ta Barrie!

Claudia

the dominant sky blue pied is in excellent feather and if he was not gripping a thin perch his deportment would be super.

[Barrie Shutt]

Okay, here's my birds. I hope the pics are okay. I've broken them up into groups so more emails to follow with the rest on. I've include multiple pics of my girls (to come), they just won't keep still. In the absence of being able to breed them at the moment, I'd like to try a couple of amateur show classes, to see what it's like. Are any of these guys viable?

Ta Barrie!

Claudia

see how the rump is raised on the pied and the light green cock it appears they both have a fault but again it's only because the perches are thin.
the light green carries a little opalescence on his cheek.

[Barrie Shutt]

Okay, here's my birds. I hope the pics are okay. I've broken them up into groups so more emails to follow with the rest on. I've include multiple pics of my girls (to come), they just won't keep still. In the absence of being able to breed them at the moment, I'd like to try a couple of amateur show classes, to see what it's like. Are any of these guys viable?

Ta Barrie!

Claudia

the sky blue spangle cock carries head markings like a normal but the wings are opaline,i would pair this with a spangle hen and breed double factors.

[Barrie Shutt]

Some more. There are two hens, there are duplicate pictures of them here.

C

two beautiful hens who will both breed some unusual coloured chicks.

the perch in the cage ---always fasten them securely using a small saw too cut a nick in the perch end so that it can be slotted into the bar.
the unsteady perch will result in unsuccessful mating and infertile eggs.

[Barrie Shutt]

This is the last one, the second male natural green I have. Many thanks for your assistance Barrie! :)

Claudia

a perfect adult light green male

[Titchpritch]

the perch in the cage ---always fasten them securely using a small saw too cut a nick in the perch end so that it can be slotted into the bar.
the unsteady perch will result in unsuccessful mating and infertile eggs.


Well, that was something I didnt know either. Will have to do something about mine as most of them are 'swing' type.

[Barrie Shutt]

Well, that was something I didnt know either. Will have to do something about mine as most of them are 'swing' type.

i tried it on a swing val but kept falling off.

[Claudia]

Next time I've got them caged I'll do some better shots. They love their acrobatics and they just won't keep still! Thanks for that. Good to know I've got a couple that might be worth a go at the show.


see how the rump is raised on the pied and the light green cock it appears they both have a fault but again it's only because the perches are thin.
the light green carries a little opalescence on his cheek.

[Claudia]

Thanks for the advice. Noted!

What colour would you call these two then?

Thanks,

Claudia :D



two beautiful hens who will both breed some unusual coloured chicks.

the perch in the cage ---always fasten them securely using a small saw too cut a nick in the perch end so that it can be slotted into the bar.
the unsteady perch will result in unsuccessful mating and infertile eggs.

[Barrie Shutt]

Thanks for the advice. Noted!

What colour would you call these two then?

Thanks,

Claudia :D


bad to tell the eye colours is the opaline a lacewing , are the eyes red?

the other i would call HEINZ opaline yellow face type 11 violet pied.

[Claudia]

no the eyes are dark, like a dark grey, no red there at all.


bad to tell the eye colours is the opaline a lacewing , are the eyes red?

the other i would call HEINZ opaline yellow face type 11 violet pied.

[Cheola]

Hi Barrie! Could you please provide me with some comments on this cock bird, the photos aren't the best but I am interested to hear what you have to say :) Cheers

[Barrie Shutt]

Hi Barrie! Could you please provide me with some comments on this cock bird, the photos aren't the best but I am interested to hear what you have to say :) Cheers


nice carraige/deportment,deep mask,carries a little opalescence on the face,could be bred out of opaline.

a suitable hen would be normal with depth in the mask and width in the head.

[Cheola]

Thanks for that Barrie! When you say opalescence on the face are you referring to the darker blue where the sides of his neck would be? Thanks for your input, he is currently in with my largest gray green hen, I will take some photos of her tomorrow :) Cheers

[Barrie Shutt]

when i check him out he is not that bad for opalescence which is just above the spots and below the eye,it looks like a fingerprint in wet paint which leaves a smudge of lighter colour.

[Cheola]

Here is a photograph of him with the hen that I have paired him to. What are your thoughts on her? She has shown real interest in the nest box over the last two days so with any luck I'll have eggs in the near future! I think this will be my best chance at getting some CYCR winners this coming show season, hopefully they will throw some nice chicks, what are your thoughts Barrie?

[Barrie Shutt]

Here is a photograph of him with the hen that I have paired him to. What are your thoughts on her? She has shown real interest in the nest box over the last two days so with any luck I'll have eggs in the near future! I think this will be my best chance at getting some CYCR winners this coming show season, hopefully they will throw some nice chicks, what are your thoughts Barrie?

the ideal pairing and should throw you some good normal greygreen cocks for the show bench.

YOUR NEXT OUTCROSS YOU BUY must have more depth of mask,you need this introduced into your stud.

[Cheola]

Good stuff, glad to hear that this pairing is ideal, when you get a second could you please post a photograph of a bird with good depth of mask? Ideally would it be a cock or a hen bird that I introduced? Thanks for all your help Barrie! I really appreciate it :D

[Barrie Shutt]

Good stuff, glad to hear that this pairing is ideal, when you get a second could you please post a photograph of a bird with good depth of mask? Ideally would it be a cock or a hen bird that I introduced? Thanks for all your help Barrie! I really appreciate it :D

use a cock because he can go with more than one hen

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/barrieshutt/budgies21stjuly07027.jpg


this is a small spotted cock but from the top of the head to the bottom of the mask is not bad.

[Barrie Shutt]

my critical eyes are looking at your birds.

[Barrie Shutt]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/barrieshutt/salesbirds120807079.jpg

nice bird but a raggy tail

[PETEY]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/taillessskycock.jpg

what do you think of these Barrie,thanks

[PETEY]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/lnewgreenspa.jpg

[PETEY]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/newgreyspangle2.jpg

[PETEY]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/newyb.jpg

[PETEY]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/violet5new.jpg

[Dan Maddocks]

I like the Spangle's Petey

[PETEY]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/new.jpg

[PETEY]

I like the Spangle's Petey

cheers Cadders,my favourite too

Pete

[Dan Maddocks]

You blown the picture of the Op/Spangle Mate. Looks some size lol

[PETEY]

You blown the picture of the Op/Spangle Mate. Looks some size lol

just a massive chick cadders:)

[Dan Maddocks]

Any more pics mate

[PETEY]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01994.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01996.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC01993.jpg

[PETEY]

son of df yellow spangle hen that died
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/newcobs.jpg

[Barrie Shutt]

sky blue cock - needs head width and lift,appears to be showing opalescence on the cheeks.

needs a hen that has the head quality and must be normal.

SPANGLE LIGHT GREEN

short of spots and needs a large spotted mate.

SPANGLE GREY hen? it looks like a cock from here.

a super bird,well done.

LIGHT GREEN SPANGLE COCK 07

showing plenty of promise it must carry this through into adulthood.
looking good.

OP VIOLET HEN

dirty headed,buff feathered.you need a fine feathered clean headed well spotted normal hen.

[Mark Hawke]

What do you think of these Barrie http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/023.jpg http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/006.jpg http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/002.jpg

[Barrie Shutt]

they both have wonderful deportment and are big birds but you need hens that carry a frontal rise on the head,it would enhance them with that outward and upward sweep above the cere as in my cinnamon,it may be the do have this but are not showing themselves.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/barrieshutt/barrie%20shutt/oct3rdbudgies07010.jpg

[Mark Hawke]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-10-07Pairs048.jpg http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-10-07Pairs049.jpg http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-10-07Pairs042.jpg http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-10-07Pairs047.jpg

[Barrie Shutt]

I DO,i like the lenght of feathering,i find the shape of the birds attractive to my eye and the markings on the normals are super.
and i like the pied.

[Mark Hawke]

The normal spangle has got some super length & blow, He stands over the rest like a giant & the pied is just like her sister from last year. Compare 2007http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-10-07Pairs049.jpg 2006 http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/YoungBirds10-2006010.jpg

[Barrie Shutt]

i can see the resemblance in most of your birds mark,winners on the sticks i think.

[Mark Hawke]

The Parents http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/2007-BreedingPairs1to24021.jpg

[Barrie Shutt]

The Parents http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/2007-BreedingPairs1to24021.jpg

so the hen is a dominant spangle pied greygreen?

[Mark Hawke]

so the hen is a dominant spangle pied greygreen?

Yes Barrie

[shamook]

Anyone have any thoughts on this young grey ?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c244/highlanderz/S5000729.jpg
Not planning on showing at all anytime soon i just was curious regarding offspring :)

[Barrie Shutt]

Anyone have any thoughts on this young grey ?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c244/highlanderz/S5000729.jpg
Not planning on showing at all anytime soon i just was curious regarding offspring :)

i am curious about the ring number mine is S3872 and i am sure i can see S38.

it is a normal cinnamon grey and if you pair it with a normal hen you will breed normal cocks split for cinnamon and all the cinnamon chicks in the nest will be cinnamon.

put him with your hen that has the deepest mask and the widest head.

[shamook]

i am curious about the ring number mine is S3872 and i am sure i can see S38.

it is a normal cinnamon grey and if you pair it with a normal hen you will breed normal cocks split for cinnamon and all the cinnamon chicks in the nest will be cinnamon.

put him with your hen that has the deepest mask and the widest head.


Yeah it does look like S38 Barrie but its 53D :)

[Mark Hawke]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-10-07Pairs052.jpg

[Mark Hawke]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-10-07Pairs047.jpg http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-10-07Pairs042.jpg

[Mark Hawke]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-10-07Pairs046.jpg

[Dan Maddocks]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/BILD0366.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/BILD0365.jpg

what you think?

[Barrie Shutt]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/BILD0366.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/BILD0365.jpg

what you think?

very typey and all in proportion

[Dan Maddocks]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/BILD0377.jpg

Both 5 month old

[Barrie Shutt]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/BILD0377.jpg

Both 5 month old

yours or barrys?

[Dan Maddocks]

Mine from Mannes lines

[Barrie Shutt]

Mine from Mannes

you little tinker,tell me more.

[Dan Maddocks]

you little tinker,tell me more.

You have Pm =\

[Mark Gulley]

theres somethin about that opaline i like

[Dan Maddocks]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/BILD0375.jpg

Me too he catches your eye I think

[Barrie Shutt]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/BILD0377.jpg

Both 5 month old

a well marked opaline reminds me of the alf omerod and pilky birds,well rounded on the head and contains substance.drops it's wings a little but thats a babies trait.

[Dan Maddocks]

He only does that sometimes, I have no idea why, not got a full set of flights at moment either

[Dan Maddocks]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/BILD0369.jpg

Dark Green Cock

[Dan Maddocks]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/PICT0174.jpg

Friends birds

[Dan Maddocks]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/PICT0179.jpg

[Schilduil]

Ooh ! lovely cinnamon Cadders

[Mark Hawke]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-10-11AviaryUpd-10.jpg http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-10-11AviaryUpd-12.jpg

[john rogers]

do you think this bird has any potential , still in nestbox

[Mark Hawke]

do you think this bird has any potential , still in nestbox

Don't know about Barrie but it has potential

[Barrie Shutt]

do you think this bird has any potential , still in nestbox

how are you john?

do i think it's got potential?

it excells with potential i see a wonderful lift and width in the head a solid body and it reminds me of the mannes birds.

for sale?

[john rogers]

this is father of above 4 week old. mother is an a+b wattam cin grey hen

[john rogers]

hopefully a better pic

[john rogers]

more of light green

[Lee Marshall]

Hello John

Good to see you are still keeping the birds, do you get over this way much?

Regards Lee

[Barrie Shutt]

i heard john had packed the budgies in.

[john rogers]

moved house twice lately,settled now building new birdroom and applying to be re-enstated to the main judges panel off to judge a cage bird show in anglesea this morning

[Barrie Shutt]

moved house twice lately,settled now building new birdroom and applying to be re-enstated to the main judges panel off to judge a cage bird show in anglesea this morning

i was out of the BS for two years john lost my wife and found i had a chronic lung disease,the BS refused to let me back on the panel without doing the three years training and resitting my test,i can mame judges that never sat a test yet joined the BS the same year as me.after much verbal they did relent a little and changed the rule book a touch which i still do not agree with.

[Mark Hawke]

You got a pretty rough deal there Barrie it's a funny old budgie world out there some of these people think there royals & they forget they only breed birds!

[Lee Marshall]

Barrie

I totally support you on this one.

BS memebership is struggling, fewer judges are coming through and many on the panel are 'rather mature'....steps need to be taken to increase the number of eligible judges quickwe than the training programme can produce them.

An idea would be to allow trainees to judge the lower status shows, ie Bronze packages for a season then the silvers a season before giving them the stamp of approval.

In your case a fast track process is required isn't it, perhaps one bronze show and you are fully re instated.

The best breeders and exhibitors the NE aren't judges but I am sure they would be happy to pick up an appointment or two at the bronze shows which would ease the burden on the main panel judges.

My local CBS has NBS patronage and needs a full BS panel judge to qualify....what total nonsense for 30 birds!!!

I will now hide behind my sandbags before being shot!

[Mark Hawke]

Barrie

I totally support you on this one.

BS memebership is struggling, fewer judges are coming through and many on the panel are 'rather mature'....steps need to be taken to increase the number of eligible judges quickwe than the training programme can produce them.

An idea would be to allow trainees to judge the lower status shows, ie Bronze packages for a season then the silvers a season before giving them the stamp of approval.

In your case a fast track process is required isn't it, perhaps one bronze show and you are fully re instated.

The best breeders and exhibitors the NE aren't judges but I am sure they would be happy to pick up an appointment or two at the bronze shows which would ease the burden on the main panel judges.

My local CBS has NBS patronage and needs a full BS panel judge to qualify....what total nonsense for 30 birds!!!

I will now hide behind my sandbags before being shot!

Come Out Fighting thay's the way

[Barrie Shutt]

thanks lee

[Barrie Shutt]

do you want to know the good and bad points of your budgerigar.

post a picture if you dare.

[KiwiinSpain]

if i become as addicted as you lot i´ll never show my budgies, those officials sound like a pack of old insensative %&$·%s

[touchofelegance]

what ya think barrie? Heres my americans...thanks.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/TouchofElegance/birds037-2.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/TouchofElegance/birds005-1.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/TouchofElegance/BIRDS075.jpg

[touchofelegance]

this one says "IM A STAR". lol> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/TouchofElegance/100_2980.jpg

[touchofelegance]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/TouchofElegance/100_2971.jpg

[Barrie Shutt]

your lutino hen, i think shows good stance and colouration,perhaps a tiny bit of green showing through which is a fault but very little,a nice bird.

normal light green cock with everything in proportion and he excells in condition,a super depth of light green colour.

opaline sky blue cock,a super opaline which carries a clean head and shows no smudging on his wing markings,again like all your birds excellent condition.

your opaline hen is a opaline clearflight but the colour baffles me a little,could it be violet or mauve? with the two colours they come in three shades light,medium and dark,because the mauve is uncommon i must go for a opaline violet ( medium shade) clearflight.

GIVE YOUR BIRDS A TREAT. put a wooden perch in the cage.

[john rogers]

2007 grey cock

[Barrie Shutt]

2007 grey cock

excellent john

[touchofelegance]

cool, thanks for the reply, The cage their in is Large at 3ftx2ftx3ft, and theres currently 4 wooden perches, 3 plastic perches, 1 plastic conditioning perch, and 2 rope perches. I was under the impression that my clearflight hen was mauve, as she's a dark greyish blue and not so much the purpley color of violet. The flash on the camera brightens her up a bit.

[Barrie Shutt]

cool, thanks for the reply, The cage their in is Large at 3ftx2ftx3ft, and theres currently 4 wooden perches, 3 plastic perches, 1 plastic conditioning perch, and 2 rope perches. I was under the impression that my clearflight hen was mauve, as she's a dark greyish blue and not so much the purpley color of violet. The flash on the camera brightens her up a bit.

when i decided not to go for mauve it was because they are uncommon in the UK and i agree with you it can be a mauve the camera tells lies with the blue varieties.

[PETEY]

5 month old df yellow spangle hen
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC02714.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC02713.jpg

[Barrie Shutt]

a nice female with good colour and lift does drop her wings a liittle spoiling her deportment.

[PETEY]

a nice female with good colour and lift does drop her wings a liittle spoiling her deportment.

cheers barrie,i think it is just that photo as i have never noticed her with dropped wings before

your the boss though:D and your opinions are apprecited

Pete

[Barrie Shutt]

cheers barrie,i think it is just that photo as i have never noticed her with dropped wings before

your the boss though:D and your opinions are apprecited

Pete

i thought she just had just not settled pete.

[Ravengypsy]

Here are pics (and links to extra pics) of two of my new show birds, both a year old that I am planning to breed. What faults do they have I should be aware of (they haven't been shown yet), and what can be improved on? Also what are their strong features to be enhanced? And lastly how well do they compliment for breeding show qualities?

Duchess: Grey Green Spangle hen

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ravengypsy/ShowBudgies/MissysPair004.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ravengypsy/ShowBudgies/MissysPair006.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ravengypsy/ShowBudgies/MissysPair005.jpg

And Duke: violet sky normal cock

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ravengypsy/ShowBudgies/MissysPair003.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ravengypsy/ShowBudgies/MissysPair002.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ravengypsy/ShowBudgies/MissysPair001.jpg

[Barrie Shutt]

i am very impressed with the greygreen spangle hen,a solid bodied hen with nice spots and super wing markings.

we could improve on depth of mask and pair her with a cock with a nice clean head.

[Barrie Shutt]

the sky cock excells in deportment but lacks the width in head and the spots so much desired to comlement that hen.

[Ravengypsy]

thanks Barrie :)

[KiwiinSpain]

Are there any purple superbudgies barrie? have you ever had one?

[Ravengypsy]

I'm curious about that too.. I'm trying to specialize in violets and spangles.. I'm still looking for a good exhibition violet for breeding.

[budsinmay]

I have a normal violet cock
http://www.budgerigars.co.uk/forum/photoplog/images/4381/medium/2_Henry___Friends_002_cropped.jpg (http://www.budgerigars.co.uk/forum/photoplog/index.php?n=2047)

on the left

[KiwiinSpain]

Fran your budgies are so cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What´s theirnames?
Welshman, Irishman and Scotsman?

[budsinmay]

Fran your budgies are so cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What´s theirnames?
Welshman, Irishman and Scotsman?

Henry, Annie & Alice, they're English budgies ;)

[Barrie Shutt]

Are there any purple superbudgies barrie? have you ever had one?

not yet but who knows what the future holds.

[bird breeder]

id show you my white albino but im still tryin to find ways to upload pics

[Barrie Shutt]

id show you my white albino but im still tryin to find ways to upload pics

remember i can be critical.

[Disco Budgie]

Lovely normal violet cock Fran,such a bonny colour

Disco budgie

[Cheola]

Hiya Barrie, could you give me your thoughts on this pair, they laid their first egg today. are they ideal for each other? Cheers

Hamish

[Barrie Shutt]

Hiya Barrie, could you give me your thoughts on this pair, they laid their first egg today. are they ideal for each other? Cheers

Hamish

i very nice matched pair hamish but i do like to see bigger spots on the opaline hens who will then pass it on to the chicks.

[kingyninetysix]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/firehorse/BIRDS018-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/firehorse/BIRDS017-3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/firehorse/th_e57bd02b.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v384/firehorse/?action=view&current=e57bd02b.pbr)

tHESE aRE NOT SHOW BIRDS BARRIE BUT I AM GOING INTO THAT STUFF

[kingyninetysix]

srry about the blury picture stpd mobile phones

[Cheola]

Thanks for the feedback, she is from a champion breeder and is one of only two birds that I have from champion lines, the rest I have got from novices so I thought I might as well get as many chicks out of her as I can to pass on the genes! She is an '04 bird so this will be her last clutch. She is the mother of the yellow face cobalt you guessed the colour of a while back and as you said, his spots have not really developed beyond average. Hopefully the big spots and nice crown of the cock bird will be passed onto the chicks and they will get the mums quality of feather. Heres hoping anyway!! Thanks as always barrie

[Barrie Shutt]

srry about the blury picture stpd mobile phones

the picture quality does not help but i can see some interesting chicks.

[john rogers]

a couple of pics of a 4 month greygreen cock i think will make a good adult

[john rogers]

family of spangles

[Barrie Shutt]

nice birds john i love the heads.

[Ravengypsy]

Here is Dusk (grey) & Dawn (goldenface cobalt) ... I know that the goldenface has a bit of flecking in the head but otherwise, what faults/good points do they each have and will they compliment in breeding for show quality?

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ravengypsy/ShowBudgies/000_2360-1.jpg

[Barrie Shutt]

Here is Dusk (grey) & Dawn (goldenface cobalt) ... I know that the goldenface has a bit of flecking in the head but otherwise, what faults/good points do they each have and will they compliment in breeding for show quality?

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ravengypsy/ShowBudgies/000_2360-1.jpg

they both carry the same fault that the mask is not deep enough,the cock would be more suited to a large spotted deep masked hen.

[Ravengypsy]

thanks Barrie :) I'll keep my eye out for a better hen on my next pairing for him.

[Barrie Shutt]

thanks Barrie :) I'll keep my eye out for a better hen on my next pairing for him.

a good large spotted opaline would suit him.

[KiwiinSpain]

But your hen is so beautiful i love the depth of her colours!

[Ravengypsy]

Okay, I think I know someone with a nice spotted opaline that would fit I might be able to aquire this year for the cock. Thanks Barrie

What would be a better cock to put with the goldenface hen for better show quality chicks next time?

[Barrie Shutt]

Okay, I think I know someone with a nice spotted opaline that would fit I might be able to aquire this year for the cock. Thanks Barrie

What would be a better cock to put with the goldenface hen for better show quality chicks next time?

if you look at the powerful body on your hen it makes the head look small so you require a head that excells in width and lift and a deep wide mask.

[Mark Hawke]

What do you think of this young fellows Barrie http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-11-22Chicks023.jpg http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-11-22Chicks024.jpg http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-11-22Chicks013.jpg two Brothers http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/hawke22/Re-exposureof2007-11-22Chicks011.jpg

[Barrie Shutt]

nice mark i love the head on the albino

[Mark Hawke]

nice mark i love the head on the albino

Thanks Barrie

[Neil]

can u tell me the good and bad bits about these 2 please

and i will be getting 2 cocks for them in a few days so wat colours should i try to get ?? (ill be breeding them)

thanks

[Barrie Shutt]

can u tell me the good and bad bits about these 2 please

and i will be getting 2 cocks for them in a few days so wat colours should i try to get ?? (ill be breeding them)

thanks

the recessive pied sky blue i cannot fault it is a nice hen that needs a large normal cobalt or sky cock.

[Barrie Shutt]

i like the grey hen who stands proud and has a good deep mask,i would find a blue cock with a deep mask and wide head.

[Neil]

thanks , ill keep that in mind. wat would u think these crosses would produce ??

[Barrie Shutt]

thanks , ill keep that in mind. wat would u think these crosses would produce ??

lot's of babies

[Mark Hawke]

nice mark i love the head on the albino

No comments on the others Barrie

[Barrie Shutt]

No comments on the others Barrie

i was rather blown out mark i thought they were superb and as i said before your birds are improving in leaps and bounds.

[Mark Hawke]

i was rather blown out mark i thought they were superb and as i said before your birds are improving in leaps and bounds.

Thanks very much Barrie

[Titchpritch]

Compliment indeed Mark comming from the Master.

[Mark Hawke]

Compliment indeed Mark comming from the Master.

Yes not a bad rap

[Neil]

i like the grey hen who stands proud and has a good deep mask,i would find a blue cock with a deep mask and wide head.


i got a sky blue and a cobalt (?) cock. he didnt hav many birds left.
wat do u think of them ?? wat colours u think i'd get from em ??

[Barrie Shutt]

they both look like brothers so any one will do,often we cannot find the ideal bird so we aim to breed that bird ourselves.

i would use this cock
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/barrieshutt/barrie%20shutt/breedingnov24th107.jpg

[Dan Maddocks]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/BILD0447.jpg

[Dan Maddocks]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/BILD0388.jpg

[PETEY]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/ca44ers/BILD0388.jpg

nice grey cock cadders,one from barrie?

Pete

[PETEY]

what do you think barrie?:D

10 month old sky blue cock
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC02847.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC02845.jpg

[PETEY]

one of sky blues daughters

opaline cinnamon grey green spangle (10 weeks old)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC02843.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC02844.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u201/pete88_2007/DSC02843.jpg

[Dan Maddocks]

No mate, hes only young still, born late Dec, I like the sky Mate

[PETEY]

No mate, hes only young still, born late Dec, I like the sky Mate

skys off barrie

[Dan Maddocks]

Looks like cocks split for Opl and Cin, Should breed some good chicks off him mate, was this the only chick this round?